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Questions and Answers, 15th June

  • 4:46 PM: Simon McGarr Hastily rushing in late to the super early for unknown reasons Q&A.
  • 4:47 PM: Mark_Coughlan Dukes is getting some amount of time here…
  • 4:47 PM: Simon McGarr Panel: Paul Anthony McDermott BL, Alan Kelly LAB, Minister for Scowling and looking Pissed Mary Coughlan FF, Alan Dukes Anglo-Irish Bank Director and PR professional, Alison O’Connor Indo journalist.
  • 4:48 PM: Christine Bohan Alan Dukes always reminds me of the 1980s for some reason. Always a bit surprised to see he’s still going.
  • 4:48 PM: Mark_Coughlan The best Taoiseach we never had…
  • 4:49 PM: Simon McGarr Alan Dukes’ peroration finally winds to an end. Now understand why FG had him so quickly killed. Listening that lecturing you would get old fast.
  • 4:50 PM: Simon McGarr Govt knew exactly, EXACTLY, what they were doing when they gave Anglo the benefit of our guarantee.
  • 4:50 PM: Mark_Coughlan Lenihan knew fecking loads more than he pretended!
  • 4:51 PM: Simon McGarr For latecomers, the Minister has decided to play a character from a Jackie Collins novel tonight. Told Bowman to not interrupt her.
  • 4:51 PM: Squid Limerick early start this week for q and a
  • 4:52 PM: Mark_Coughlan Great audience contribution there
  • 4:52 PM: Simon McGarr Brian Lucey’s article may be read here www.irishtimes.com
  • 4:52 PM: Simon McGarr Audience man brown noses Dukes in the stupidest way. *facepalm*
  • 4:53 PM: Simon McGarr Resisting… urge to … make … tanning joke….
  • 4:53 PM: midnightcourt Comptroller and Auditor General’s Office is only body in country that could tell us what’s going on in Anglo #qa14
  • 4:53 PM: midnightcourt Tallaght strategy really paid off for Dukes. FF has been giving him juicy sinecure after juicy sinecure for years #qa14
  • 4:53 PM: midnightcourt Paul Anthony finally reaches the giddy heights of Q&A. Welcome to the Establishment. #qa14
  • 4:54 PM: Simon McGarr Minister now invited to explain banking. Sigh.
  • 4:54 PM: Simon McGarr She thinks regulation is an issue.
  • 4:54 PM: Simon McGarr She has to make serious choices.
  • 4:55 PM: Simon McGarr She doesn’t want to let a bank go, divil may care.
  • 4:56 PM: Simon McGarr Now she’s given up on making statements of the banal and is just making noises with poorly chosen words.
  • 4:56 PM: Suzy Irish Association of Bankers and Chemists in audience tonight?
  • 4:57 PM: Simon McGarr Dukes now wagging his finger at Alan Kelly. That’ll teach them to win elections.
  • 4:58 PM: Mark_Coughlan Jesus, The Dukes Show.
  • 4:58 PM: Simon McGarr Anglo is not systemically important. I know this because Dukes just told me he believes it is. I think this is a rule of thumb which will serve me well in the next 32 minutes.
  • 4:59 PM: Simon McGarr Alan Dukes demands we stop talking about what he’s doing.
  • 4:59 PM: Simon McGarr Alan Kelly posters taken before Pie eating contests up and down Ireland South, clearly.
  • 5:00 PM: Suzy ooh 5 councillors get elected and we have a party announcement from the questioner before the question gets asked!
  • 5:01 PM: Mark_Coughlan Lisbon II will be gas
  • 5:01 PM: Simon McGarr Paul A. McDermott can barely bring himself to describe the Lisbon guarantees as ‘legal’. Due to the fact they’re no more legal than my shopping list.
  • 5:01 PM: click here (gaelick.com) There is no issue of abortion/neutrality/etc. *in* the Lisbon Treaty, you crazy peddler..
  • 5:02 PM: Squid Limerick ve have vays of making youVOTE YES
  • 5:03 PM: stephenkinsella Quite perceptive comment on Lisbon 2 from SnideLawyerGuy: legal guarantees are meaningless. Ouch.
  • 5:03 PM: Mark_Coughlan Simon – re shopping list – do expand please…
  • 5:03 PM: Simon McGarr Alan Dukes complained about P. A. McD’s way with words. Now the Minister complains he is being facetious, due to the fact he is totally accurate.
  • 5:03 PM: gaelick F*** you, Mary Coughlan – none of those issues were reasons why people voted “no”: surveys showed most people voted no due to lack of knowledge. Gah!
  • 5:04 PM: gaelick (P.S. disclosure-wise – I wasn’t necessarily entirely happy with the Treaty..!)
  • 5:05 PM: Simon McGarr The guarantees aren’t legally binding, obviously. No more than if I promise to vote for you next week. There’s no way of enforcing them. That’s how you test if you have a binding agreement. You find out what you can do if the other side breach the deal.
  • 5:05 PM: stephenkinsella We have listened to the people, and given them the form of words they need to hear so we can ignore their wishes from the first time.
  • 5:05 PM: Christine Bohan There are Irish troops in Afghanistan?
  • 5:05 PM: Simon McGarr People before Articulacy.
  • 5:05 PM: stephenkinsella Woops—waaay over the top from the questioner, she doesn’t know what she’s talking about.
  • 5:06 PM: stephenkinsella …And John B begins the smackdown.
  • 5:06 PM: Suzy US troops and Lisbon?
  • 5:06 PM: gaelick There are Irish troops in Afghanistan – a relation of mine was there (high ranking Irish army)
  • 5:06 PM: Suzy Ooops me and Alan Dukes agree on something.
  • 5:07 PM: Simon McGarr Alan Dukes annoyed that his no to lisbon representative is a respectable looking pinstriped barrister and not the questioner from the audience.
  • 5:07 PM: stephenkinsella Dukes making sense. Oh Dear.
  • 5:07 PM: Simon McGarr I’m sticking to my rule of thumb.
  • 5:07 PM: gaelick lol – I feel dirty, too, Suzy..
  • 5:08 PM: Simon McGarr Alan Kelly complains of P.A. McD ‘flippancy’. Panel really annoyed at ability to speak being demonstrated by one amongst them.
  • 5:09 PM: Simon McGarr Falling asleep to lulling words of Alan Kelly.
  • 5:09 PM: Christine Bohan Paul Anthony McDermot is giving his best ‘bitch, please’ look to Alan Dukes.
  • 5:09 PM: gaelick Commissioners aren’t Ambassadors, Kelly – tell your constituents, you numpty!
  • 5:09 PM: leotraynor You can see why FG keep Kenny & Dukes apart – Mr.D makes Inda look like a parish pump politician
  • 5:10 PM: stephenkinsella Scardey Cats of Europe! Child Abuse! Abortion! All in the one comment.
  • 5:10 PM: Simon McGarr Being shot in the head by journalism scattershot from Indo lady.
  • 5:10 PM: leotraynor It would appear Alan Kelly’s receiving life coaching from Inda. Charisma free zone
  • 5:10 PM: stephenkinsella This lady is bar stool indignation plutonium.
  • 5:10 PM: gaelick pmsl @stephen
  • 5:11 PM: Christine Bohan Pretty low blow from Coughlan there on FG’s ‘news friends’ in SF.
  • 5:11 PM: leotraynor INM’s lackey is serving her masters well
  • 5:11 PM: Simon McGarr Awsome st00pid from Minister.
  • 5:11 PM: stephenkinsella ?PMSL?
  • 5:11 PM: Simon McGarr Bowman tells audience member they know nothing.
  • 5:11 PM: leotraynor Low blow from Sweary – She’s married to a guard – hates the shinners
  • 5:11 PM: Christine Bohan Pissing myself laughing, daddy-o
  • 5:12 PM: Suzy Does the panel believe that Cowen will lead FF into the next election?
  • 5:12 PM: gaelick Heh, I’m giggling at your quip, chappy.
  • 5:12 PM: Mark_Coughlan No… none of them do. I’m sure.
  • 5:12 PM: Christine Bohan Alan Dukes playing coy is like the neighbourhood slut pretending to be a virgin. Not buying it, Dukesy.
  • 5:12 PM: Suzy Bowman reminds Dukes he’s on programme to give opinion
  • 5:12 PM: gaelick Arragh, Dukes, tell us – go on, go on, etc.
  • 5:13 PM: Mark_Coughlan Martin isn’t dumb enough to take it.
  • 5:13 PM: Mark_Coughlan Tanaiste wont go either
  • 5:13 PM: Simon McGarr Audience laughs at the idea that Minister will remain Tanaiste.
  • 5:13 PM: Suzy Paul Anthony predicts that there are no Turkeys in favour of voting for xmas
  • 5:13 PM: Christine Bohan PA McDermot sounded like a baddie from a film as he predicted Cowen’s demise there. Surprised he didn’t bookend it by stroking a cat and doing an evil laugh.
  • 5:14 PM: Simon McGarr Ads for EBS mortgages to follow.
  • 5:15 PM: Simon McGarr McElhinney’s of Athboy break into the world of lovely girls.
  • 5:16 PM: Simon McGarr Here’s this woman warning me about holes in my gut with lumpy plums in them.
  • 5:16 PM: Mark_Coughlan Researching SIPO – what a load of balls.
  • 5:16 PM: stephenkinsella The audience can’t believe FF can make it in a second time. Loving the show tonight. John B’s on form.
  • 5:16 PM: Simon McGarr I need to fill the holes with spheres of yoghurt.
  • 5:17 PM: hughgreen #qa14 The fact that there was a poll, research etc does not mean that the govt addressed reasons for voting No.
  • 5:17 PM: hughgreen #qa14 I calculate from her demeanour that Mary Coughlan has had precisely one gin and tonic before going on air.
  • 5:17 PM: Simon McGarr @Mark_Coughlan Told you so.
  • 5:18 PM: Simon McGarr Back, with weighty question. What to do with the Ryan Report now?
  • 5:18 PM: Mark_Coughlan @Simon – Oh, I know.
  • 5:18 PM: Simon McGarr PA McDermott says that child abuse is not a thing of history, but continues at the same level as historically.
  • 5:19 PM: stephenkinsella @ Simon, not the point he’s making.
  • 5:19 PM: stephenkinsella He’s saying this isn’t going to change anything.
  • 5:20 PM: stephenkinsella Again, again, we bring the debate back to Money. Because apparently money=justice, it seems.
  • 5:20 PM: Simon McGarr Makes a link between Irish society’s lack of focus on children as people to be given respect and to be loved in public and their mistreatment in private.
  • 5:20 PM: Christine Bohan Surely PAMcD is missing the point somewhat. A small minority of the cases took place as far back as 1940. They continued until the late 1990s. Plus in the case of repeat offenders, surely it’s about the multiple offences that were committed, rather than just a once off occurence on a particular date.
  • 5:20 PM: stephenkinsella Why can’t we focus on anything else in the debate? Institutional reform? Anyone?
  • 5:20 PM: Squid Limerick Sweary mary calling for the religeous orders to be transparant. that’s rich considering how transparent the redress board is
  • 5:21 PM: Christine Bohan @Stephen Agreed. Don’t understand why the debate isn’t focused now on removing the religious orders from health and education roles.
  • 5:21 PM: Simon McGarr Contrasts it with the way society in Spain revolves around children.
  • 5:22 PM: gaelick What’s “social society,\” Mary?
  • 5:22 PM: Mark_Coughlan We’re not listening to any victims though, love…
  • 5:22 PM: stephenkinsella Amazingly Mary C hasn’t been well briefed on Ryan report’s implications.
  • 5:22 PM: Simon McGarr Bowman keeps trying to kill off discussion of current care for children.
  • 5:23 PM: leotraynor No one’s mentioning the elephant in the room – the necessity for complete separation of church and state
  • 5:23 PM: Simon McGarr Cut off PA McDermott, only to have it pop out from Indo Journalist.
  • 5:23 PM: gaelick Listening to victims isn’t important, clearly – what’s important is throwing money around and hoping child abuse survivors just go away..
  • 5:23 PM: gaelick Absolutely agree, @leotraynor
  • 5:23 PM: leotraynor Coughlan really is one of the worst presented, ill informed politico’s i’ve ever seen. a political pygmy
  • 5:24 PM: Christine Bohan Coughlan has been a TD since she was 21 or 22. Can’t really claim to have worked ‘as a former social worker’, can she?
  • 5:24 PM: stephenkinsella There should be legal redress, true, but also definitely an acceptance that the church doesn’t have a role in state education and childcare anymore.
  • 5:24 PM: gaelick Oh Christ, can we cull Mary Coughlan?
  • 5:24 PM: leotraynor mary reminds us of her social work credentials – nothing to be proud of in the current climate
  • 5:25 PM: Simon McGarr Chuch/State separation not going to solve the problem of mistreatment of children on its own. State, in the form of the HSE, are APPALLING at looking after children.
  • 5:25 PM: stephenkinsella The level of debate is staggering—social workers should work after 5pm. Who knew?
  • 5:25 PM: Suzy Inexcusable that we don’t have an out of hours service according to Minister. But she makes excuses anyway.
  • 5:25 PM: Mark_Coughlan People aren’t being listened to at all. They were ignored by the fucking Oireachtas this week, their political games took precedence…
  • 5:25 PM: leotraynor @Simon McGarr I agree totally
  • 5:25 PM: Simon McGarr Its inexcusable. If only someone was in government who could do something about it.
  • 5:26 PM: dermotcasey Dear Mary the Glamour/Glamor/Hex has worn off. Only the words left and they are vaccous. Spent last 30 mins listening to QA with back turned to telly. Gives you a different perspective
  • 5:26 PM: gaelick And Ireland needs to incorporate the Convention on the Rights of the Child needs into domestic law
  • 5:26 PM: twentymajor I find the way Mary Coughlan’s mouth moves and the way it obscures her wart quite disturbing.
  • 5:26 PM: stephenkinsella Opportunity Cost: 4bn for anglo vs. out of hours care for vulnerable children.
  • 5:27 PM: gaelick Agree re. current State “services” or lack thereof
  • 5:27 PM: Simon McGarr What!!
  • 5:28 PM: Simon McGarr Well, I look forward to PA McDermott running for the Socialist Party in Dun Laoghaire.
  • 5:28 PM: stephenkinsella Oh, not the last one then?
  • 5:28 PM: leotraynor @Mark_Coughlan Dead right. Enda Kenny treated the victims with utter contempt for a pointless ego trip
  • 5:28 PM: Mark_Coughlan Tomorrow’s news www.youtube.com
  • 5:29 PM: leotraynor i look forward to P A McDermott running for the hills!
  • 5:29 PM: stephenkinsella Find the Ryan report easier to read than the commentary about it, amazing.
  • 5:32 PM: stephenkinsella @Mark_Coughlan, the revolution will be televised, apparently.
  • 5:32 PM: Simon McGarr Glancing up to be reassured on gut fluid loss in closing ad break. Clearly, people watching Q&A get bad stomach problems. Ulcers and the like caused by listening too hard.
  • 5:34 PM: stephenkinsella @Simon, stress ulcers from ranting at TV. Now we have this thing instead. They should get the newslady to advertise scribblelive. I’m telling you, it’s saving my marriage. The missus is chuffed I’m ranting at like-minded nutters, not her
  • 5:35 PM: Mark_Coughlan www.irishtimes.com Good post
  • 5:37 PM: Simon McGarr Closing the shop?
  • 5:38 PM: stephenkinsella Night All!
  • 5:38 PM: Christine Bohan Night everyone. It’s been fun. Are we liveblogging any of Vincent Browne this week?
  • 5:41 PM: Simon McGarr Vinb liveblog will be up, for those who wish to inhabit it, in a matter of moments. Check out @Tupp_ed on twitter to get the the address.

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